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		By: Melissa Taylor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melissa Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 16:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://imaginationsoup.net/the-case-against-skill-and-drill-curriculum/comment-page-1/#comment-88071&quot;&gt;mickelle&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree that kids need direct instruction and modeling. 
I&#039;m talking about a curriculum without instruction that uses recall worksheets which are lower level thinking skills. (Convergent thinking)

Thanks for the comment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://imaginationsoup.net/the-case-against-skill-and-drill-curriculum/comment-page-1/#comment-88071">mickelle</a>.</p>
<p>I agree that kids need direct instruction and modeling.<br />
I&#8217;m talking about a curriculum without instruction that uses recall worksheets which are lower level thinking skills. (Convergent thinking)</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment.</p>
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		By: mickelle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 01:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am curious about your statement about kill-and-drill, or readicide programs.  The definition seems vague, and the ages you address with your concerns also seems unclear, but I imagine you would find my approach horrible.  

I use Siegfried Englemann&#039;s direct instruction approach, and my four-year-old daughter has grown into a beautiful love of reading.  She didn&#039;t/doesn&#039;t adore every lesson, but reading Little Bear and Frog and Toad (on an instructional level) is the highlight of her day.  And, truthfully, mine.


And although it might not sound like it so far, I suppose I walk a middle road.  Direct Instruction is, in my view, an incredible way to build the foundation of skill necessary for all the depth, beauty, and variety a constructivist education can offer.   I see direct instruction as playing a vital role in early reading instruction as well as basic math facts.  Past that, bring on the inferring, the peer tutoring, the analysis and deconstruction.  Kids can do so much more advanced thinking than we give them credit for! 



But I&#039;ve seen first-hand the result of programs that offered too much abstract thought without first tying the children to a consistent method.  (Read: ill-run Investigations math)  The majority of these fifth-graders couldn&#039;t do simple multiplication -- and some struggled with adding/subtracting three-digit numbers --and I was busy using a curriculum that wanted to investigate three or four different (and marvelous, I truthfully say) different algorithms for division.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious about your statement about kill-and-drill, or readicide programs.  The definition seems vague, and the ages you address with your concerns also seems unclear, but I imagine you would find my approach horrible.  </p>
<p>I use Siegfried Englemann&#8217;s direct instruction approach, and my four-year-old daughter has grown into a beautiful love of reading.  She didn&#8217;t/doesn&#8217;t adore every lesson, but reading Little Bear and Frog and Toad (on an instructional level) is the highlight of her day.  And, truthfully, mine.</p>
<p>And although it might not sound like it so far, I suppose I walk a middle road.  Direct Instruction is, in my view, an incredible way to build the foundation of skill necessary for all the depth, beauty, and variety a constructivist education can offer.   I see direct instruction as playing a vital role in early reading instruction as well as basic math facts.  Past that, bring on the inferring, the peer tutoring, the analysis and deconstruction.  Kids can do so much more advanced thinking than we give them credit for! </p>
<p>But I&#8217;ve seen first-hand the result of programs that offered too much abstract thought without first tying the children to a consistent method.  (Read: ill-run Investigations math)  The majority of these fifth-graders couldn&#8217;t do simple multiplication &#8212; and some struggled with adding/subtracting three-digit numbers &#8211;and I was busy using a curriculum that wanted to investigate three or four different (and marvelous, I truthfully say) different algorithms for division.</p>
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		By: Melissa Taylor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melissa Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 05:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://imaginationsoup.net/the-case-against-skill-and-drill-curriculum/comment-page-1/#comment-52251&quot;&gt;Alexis&lt;/a&gt;.

thanks for sharing your story, Alexis. I&#039;m so happy you found such a great school!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://imaginationsoup.net/the-case-against-skill-and-drill-curriculum/comment-page-1/#comment-52251">Alexis</a>.</p>
<p>thanks for sharing your story, Alexis. I&#8217;m so happy you found such a great school!!</p>
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		By: Melissa Taylor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melissa Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 05:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://imaginationsoup.net/the-case-against-skill-and-drill-curriculum/comment-page-1/#comment-52849&quot;&gt;Tracey @ Don&#039;t Mess with Mama&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, Tracey!Unfortunately, I think that some of the math facts - while for sure need to be understood conceptually with the concrete before the abstract - have to be memorized.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://imaginationsoup.net/the-case-against-skill-and-drill-curriculum/comment-page-1/#comment-52849">Tracey @ Don&#8217;t Mess with Mama</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks, Tracey!Unfortunately, I think that some of the math facts &#8211; while for sure need to be understood conceptually with the concrete before the abstract &#8211; have to be memorized.</p>
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		By: Tracey @ Don't Mess with Mama		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great article! I agree that kids need to choose what they want to read and have opportunities for different types of reading like blogs or websites. 

I&#039;m thinking this applies to math too. My son had a drill test for addition in 1st grade. It&#039;s making me think what&#039;s the point. Where else in life are we drilled to solve a math problem - unless we&#039;re tipping at a restaurant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! I agree that kids need to choose what they want to read and have opportunities for different types of reading like blogs or websites. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking this applies to math too. My son had a drill test for addition in 1st grade. It&#8217;s making me think what&#8217;s the point. Where else in life are we drilled to solve a math problem &#8211; unless we&#8217;re tipping at a restaurant.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 02:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I really enjoyed reading this article about skill, drill and kill curriculum.  My sons experienced the same thing at their school and after getting nowhere, we finally left when they were in 3rd and kindergarten.  It was a really difficult decision but we had to go, we saw things getting worse and worse each year for my 3rd grader who had fallen several years behind in reading and writing.  We ended up at our neighborhood/public school and experienced the best year ever!  What a wonderful group of caring, professional, creative teachers committed to helping every child achieve their best.  They use a variety of meaningful instructional methods that make learning interesting for the students.  By the end of the year, my son was reading and writing on grade level.  Best of all, he was excited about school and so proud of himself.  I&#039;m so inspired to read about other parents standing up for what is best for our children, meaningful and effective learning experiences.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed reading this article about skill, drill and kill curriculum.  My sons experienced the same thing at their school and after getting nowhere, we finally left when they were in 3rd and kindergarten.  It was a really difficult decision but we had to go, we saw things getting worse and worse each year for my 3rd grader who had fallen several years behind in reading and writing.  We ended up at our neighborhood/public school and experienced the best year ever!  What a wonderful group of caring, professional, creative teachers committed to helping every child achieve their best.  They use a variety of meaningful instructional methods that make learning interesting for the students.  By the end of the year, my son was reading and writing on grade level.  Best of all, he was excited about school and so proud of himself.  I&#8217;m so inspired to read about other parents standing up for what is best for our children, meaningful and effective learning experiences.</p>
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